Good Evening Jack:
It is 10:24 PM New York time. I am very happy with the response from everyone. I too agree while I have purchased copies of Creative Suites 3, Lightroom 2,3&4 and Photoshop PS5, I nearly use all aspects of these programs.
My complaint and debate with Adobe and Mircosoft is that we as users should have the right to own a hard copy of the disk and receive updates on their latest version. That being said, why must I or any of us be denied use of their software due to their new exclusive "CLOUD" only use? Who made them GOD and masters of the computing universe?? We will ALL be entrapped forever by monthly payments if we do not choose to upgrade and even then if we do not upgrade. I see this as just another unfair marketing manulipation of users that made these companies and their founders Very, Very RICH, well indeed beyond our wildest beliefs.
As users we do not own their software as such yet, have use of it under the installation and purchase agreement through licensed distributers . However, we are not subject to a constant subscription fee arrangement for use of what we purchased under the current version(s). As, I enter retirement age cost of living savings are a necessity for me and others and I resent having to pay for an on going subscription or lack of support for their products. I am talking about any new versions I might choose to purchase. The "CLOUD" is just another imaginary marketing illusion that some next hacker will burst their bubble on and ours too.
I hope that Adobe or Microsoft has the courage to enter into and answer my debate. I am not betting on it.
10019 NYC, NY
While this trend doesn't seem to be slowing down, I will do all in my power to never be forced into a contract by a software company.
I cannot wait to see who jumps on this error, and offers a photoshop competitor that gets the support it needs to truly compete. I see GIMP's popularity skyrocketing over the next year or so and hope they're able to fill the gap left by Adobe. While Photoshop is only one of the programs, it is the only one I use with any regularity and have purchased three of the last four versions… No more I guess.
Adobe, ya done screwed up.
My email box is jammed with responses, way too many to answer tonight. I am somewhat overwhelded by your response. It seems to me as I have spot read several of these emails that we are collectively on the same page. I will address each response as best possible tonmorrow. Thank You All Kindly
10019, NYC, NY USA
How will CC cope with backwards compatibility?
For example when camera raw (CS 5.5 to 6.0 and LR 3 to 4) changed the basic sliders there was an incompatability between the two editing methods.
You could still tweak a previously edited image by using the older version of the software without having to start again in new version.
If/when a similar change happens to CC in the future and with continuous updates will you be able to have more than one version of a product installed?
What happens when you stop your monthly tribute to Adobe? Do you have any use of the program that you had already ransomed up to that point? Or do they kill the victim & get rid of all the earlier evidence?
At least when you buy/rent the former programs you were able to use it as long as its tools were still useful. EXCEPT WHEN; They do something similar to what they did to me just last month with an earlier version of Acrobat that I had, & I couldn't upgrade to the newest version as they they ended the upgrade timeline with no notice.
They blocked my reinstall of Acrobat Pro7 after an upgrade of my HDD storage capacity. They told me it was no longer compatible because I was trying to use it with Windows 7 (which I had been using already since it was released with no problems).
I hope that this goes the way that Netflix & several other greedy bastards learned,; that sooner or later even computer junkies can break the habit!
good luck everyone.
We all need to write and or email Abobe and give them plenty of "blow back". So much so, that it causes them to reconsider making Creative Suites and particularly Photoshop CS7 available on a disk. For Adobe this is only about the dollars ($50x12=$600) annually. This is the cost more or less of what the new software would cost if you purchased it. Now we are stuck in a never ending lease arrangement.
Can they do it? Yes! That is how the "Robber Barons" built America, it called "Capitalism". This intellictual property after all is theirs. I for one will never subscribe to any Adobe product if they exclusively hold a gun to my head with the "Cloud" only.
New York, NY 10019
Someone knowledgable about CC and Adobe's marketing plan (not me) should write a petition and publish it so people sharing these views can sign it to express their views to Adobe that a CC subscription is a ripoff. I would be happy to sign it. As I recall, Adobe sent out a questionnaire asking about interest, how much you'd be willing to pay, etc. I indicated I wasn't interested , but the questions were framed in a way that made subscription look attractive.
I apologise in advance to those of a nervous disposition.
The elephant in the room here is the issue of copyright theft and the existence of tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who use Creative Suite but don't pay for it. Illegal software is easy to find, whether it is on file sharing web sites, OEM software that is sold in violation of Adobe's contractual stipulations or by sharing between friends. There is also the misuse of discounted software such as educational licenses that are used by people who are not actually in the education system.
People who pay nothing to use Adobe software, or who lie to get educational discounts that they don't qualify for, are not entitled to comment. They are certainly not allowed to complain. If they don't need or can't afford Adobe CS there are plenty of cheaper competing packages available.
If you do need CC, you are going to have to pay for it. That seems entirely fair and reasonable to me.
I have been an Adobe customer since the late 1980s and have always purchased official copies of Adobe software and used it in strict conformance with the conditions of the license. I am extremely unhappy with the idea that the software I pay for, contributing to its continuous improvement, can be used by freeloaders who contribute nothing.
I see nothing wrong with Adobe's proposals for the future and will be embracing them, just as I intend to embrace Microsoft's offer of Office software in the cloud. For those of you who have enjoyed using Adobe software for free, by stealing it, I have no sympathy at all.
Thanks for the comment Anthony. I think you make very good points.
If you haven't seen it yet, check out the follow-up article and discussion here: http://www.photographybay.com/…..-software/
I own CS5, have not stolen it and there are plenty of us out there who do own Photoshop and are very very annoyed about Adobe's greed. I am an amateur photographer and have used Photoshop for many years and now a pensioner with dwindling funds so will not be paying out to Adobe's cloud, I certainly could not afford it.
Will have to stay with CS6 (intend upgrading to CS6 soon) before it disappears.
Its all greed, greed, greed on behalf of Adobe.
Hi Sheila. I took a look at your web site. Your work is very impressive indeed.
However, I wonder why you feel you need Adobe CC. You seem to get along perfectly well with CS5 or whichever previous version you use. Does an amateur photographer, even one working to such high standards, really need CC?
Do you really need CS6 for that matter? Why on earth would you pay for CS6 when there are so many good and cheaper alternatives?
Adobe has already stated it will support CS6 in the future. You will probably be able to continue using it for a very long time. Any new camera you buy will come with its own RAW converter, so the built-in obsolescence of Adobe Camera RAW need not affect you.
CS and CC are professional packages designed for people who are creative professionals. They are not aimed at amateurs, nor are they priced to appeal to amateurs. The improvements in the CS packages and now CC are the ones that are requested by professionals and paid for by them.
As a professional I don't hesitate to upgrade to the latest version, and the cost seems very reasonable to me. It accounts for a very tiny proportion of my business turnover and a fraction of the cost of owning a car. It really is that trivial.
In summary, I am sorry, but I cannot see what you have to complain about.
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