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	<title>Comments on: Los Angeles Sheriff&#8217;s Deputies Detain Person for Taking Photos in Public Place</title>
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		<title>By: JCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get the accusations here of &quot;provoking&quot; or &quot;looking for trouble.&quot; How is taking a photo of a subway turnstile looking for trouble? If you lived in LA you would know that photographers are harassed all the time here - you don&#039;t have to &quot;look&quot; for it. It just happens. And can I add that&#039;s a perfectly legal activity? That&#039;s the issue here - not the photographer&#039;s attitude but a cop who is way out of line and doesn&#039;t know the law very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the accusations here of &#8220;provoking&#8221; or &#8220;looking for trouble.&#8221; How is taking a photo of a subway turnstile looking for trouble? If you lived in LA you would know that photographers are harassed all the time here &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to &#8220;look&#8221; for it. It just happens. And can I add that&#8217;s a perfectly legal activity? That&#8217;s the issue here &#8211; not the photographer&#8217;s attitude but a cop who is way out of line and doesn&#8217;t know the law very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you go looking for trouble you will most likely find it and you did, We are post 911 and we all have to work together,because not working together was one of the reasons ie. cooperation between fed,state and local law enforcement agentcies 911 happened. You knew that taking pic,s of a public transportaion system would cause a responese,now ask your oh so smart self what has this provided our enemies,as in the proper respones to a police officer? do now know what not to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you go looking for trouble you will most likely find it and you did, We are post 911 and we all have to work together,because not working together was one of the reasons ie. cooperation between fed,state and local law enforcement agentcies 911 happened. You knew that taking pic,s of a public transportaion system would cause a responese,now ask your oh so smart self what has this provided our enemies,as in the proper respones to a police officer? do now know what not to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Destroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Shaun. While I hate the law enforcement in this city, I have to agree with MJ. You are an idiot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Shaun. While I hate the law enforcement in this city, I have to agree with MJ. You are an idiot</p>
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		<title>By: Arne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t an example of a photographers rights being stepped on - this is an example of a photographer being a wank and provoking a situation.  I&#039;ve been stopped a number of times in situations very similar to this.  My first response is I&#039;m an photographer (mostly for hobby) my name is .... do you wish to see my id or my business card from my day job or any of the photo&#039;s I&#039;ve taken in this area... see I&#039;m not doing anything wrong and I&#039;ve got nothing to hide.  Most of the time after that I&#039;m left alone - sometimes they want to see my ID rarely do they want tosee my photo&#039;s.  I&#039;ve never been detained or harassed. (New York/San Fran/San Diego/Toronto/Vancouver)  ps. never had to use my photographers rights card with this approach ... ever - not even in NYC Subway.

This fellow - although you can&#039;t say he is being rude - is being challenging - less than forthcoming and in general a pain in the ass.  I mean seriously - he is a cop - not some random person off the street - if he wants to see your ID - do it.  Some people think cops are the bad guys - but when you&#039;re in trouble / hurt /in danger / etc etc - who do you call - that right - the same fellow you&#039;re disrespecting will also stand between you and some real criminal with a gun and defend you with his life.  Quit being a prick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an example of a photographers rights being stepped on &#8211; this is an example of a photographer being a wank and provoking a situation.  I&#8217;ve been stopped a number of times in situations very similar to this.  My first response is I&#8217;m an photographer (mostly for hobby) my name is &#8230;. do you wish to see my id or my business card from my day job or any of the photo&#8217;s I&#8217;ve taken in this area&#8230; see I&#8217;m not doing anything wrong and I&#8217;ve got nothing to hide.  Most of the time after that I&#8217;m left alone &#8211; sometimes they want to see my ID rarely do they want tosee my photo&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve never been detained or harassed. (New York/San Fran/San Diego/Toronto/Vancouver)  ps. never had to use my photographers rights card with this approach &#8230; ever &#8211; not even in NYC Subway.</p>
<p>This fellow &#8211; although you can&#8217;t say he is being rude &#8211; is being challenging &#8211; less than forthcoming and in general a pain in the ass.  I mean seriously &#8211; he is a cop &#8211; not some random person off the street &#8211; if he wants to see your ID &#8211; do it.  Some people think cops are the bad guys &#8211; but when you&#8217;re in trouble / hurt /in danger / etc etc &#8211; who do you call &#8211; that right &#8211; the same fellow you&#8217;re disrespecting will also stand between you and some real criminal with a gun and defend you with his life.  Quit being a prick</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, the police officer was polite, the photographer not so much. I agree, the photographer is an idiot. You get what you put out. Period. People will respond depending on how you respond to them. Thank God the officer stayed calm, and did well. I&#039;m betting he was hoping to get an opportunity to put a fist in your face.

Thanks for the video^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the police officer was polite, the photographer not so much. I agree, the photographer is an idiot. You get what you put out. Period. People will respond depending on how you respond to them. Thank God the officer stayed calm, and did well. I&#8217;m betting he was hoping to get an opportunity to put a fist in your face.</p>
<p>Thanks for the video^^</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are an idiot.
The cop started by asking you a reasonable
question, which you did not answer.
&quot;I want to know WHY ARE YOU TAKING PICTURES?&quot;

You started right with the
attitude. I am a professional
Cinematographer and Photographer.
This sort of encounter happens
to me on a regular basis, when
shooting in public or publicly 
ambiguous places. It&#039;s 2009, man.
This is the world we live in.
I&#039;m glad the cop stopped you.
He was doing his job.

With an ounce of direct politeness 
and sometimes a display of my 
business card... both parties
are on our way without incident.
I tell them the truth...
Artistic Intent and I&#039;ll even
volunteer to show them my pics.
It&#039;s about mutual respect and
courtesy. 

You&#039;re whole approach shows 
you are a child out for sensationalist nonsense,
not a proper expose of freedoms and rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are an idiot.<br />
The cop started by asking you a reasonable<br />
question, which you did not answer.<br />
&#8220;I want to know WHY ARE YOU TAKING PICTURES?&#8221;</p>
<p>You started right with the<br />
attitude. I am a professional<br />
Cinematographer and Photographer.<br />
This sort of encounter happens<br />
to me on a regular basis, when<br />
shooting in public or publicly<br />
ambiguous places. It&#8217;s 2009, man.<br />
This is the world we live in.<br />
I&#8217;m glad the cop stopped you.<br />
He was doing his job.</p>
<p>With an ounce of direct politeness<br />
and sometimes a display of my<br />
business card&#8230; both parties<br />
are on our way without incident.<br />
I tell them the truth&#8230;<br />
Artistic Intent and I&#8217;ll even<br />
volunteer to show them my pics.<br />
It&#8217;s about mutual respect and<br />
courtesy. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re whole approach shows<br />
you are a child out for sensationalist nonsense,<br />
not a proper expose of freedoms and rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I sympathize with Shawn and support what he is trying to accomplish in general, I don&#039;t think this was a good example of fighting for photographers&#039; rights or battling police harassment. It was a setup from the very start and while the officer was clearly pulling stuff out of his donkey, Shawn was doing his best to goad him into it. I carry my photographer&#039;s rights card in my wallet like every other photographer who feels strongly about our rights... But I don&#039;t like how this whole affair went down. There has got to be a better way to bring these issues to light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I sympathize with Shawn and support what he is trying to accomplish in general, I don&#8217;t think this was a good example of fighting for photographers&#8217; rights or battling police harassment. It was a setup from the very start and while the officer was clearly pulling stuff out of his donkey, Shawn was doing his best to goad him into it. I carry my photographer&#8217;s rights card in my wallet like every other photographer who feels strongly about our rights&#8230; But I don&#8217;t like how this whole affair went down. There has got to be a better way to bring these issues to light.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In America, the idea is supposed to be arresting people when they are committing a crime (or after they have committed a crime).  Not when they merely have the vague potential to possibly commit a crime at some point in the future.  Everyone has the equal possibility of one day planning or committing a crime.  Does that mean that everyone should be detained, harassed, or arrested?  It most definitely does not.  Sensitivity to potential crime is certainly going to be increased in places perceived as high-risk terrorist targets, however, allowing that sensitivity to overcome and even violate basic rights leads us to a philosophical place much closer to fascism than the apple pie freedom and justice that America is supposed to be all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In America, the idea is supposed to be arresting people when they are committing a crime (or after they have committed a crime).  Not when they merely have the vague potential to possibly commit a crime at some point in the future.  Everyone has the equal possibility of one day planning or committing a crime.  Does that mean that everyone should be detained, harassed, or arrested?  It most definitely does not.  Sensitivity to potential crime is certainly going to be increased in places perceived as high-risk terrorist targets, however, allowing that sensitivity to overcome and even violate basic rights leads us to a philosophical place much closer to fascism than the apple pie freedom and justice that America is supposed to be all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sony-Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sony-Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was  US Marine and this is what i went to fight for this is Bu** Sh** this happend to me here in Canada but the guy back off when i told him i was a Disable vet and show my ID this COP went to far.. LA Cop have not change at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was  US Marine and this is what i went to fight for this is Bu** Sh** this happend to me here in Canada but the guy back off when i told him i was a Disable vet and show my ID this COP went to far.. LA Cop have not change at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do have a right to photograph.  You do hot have a right to set up a tripod in a subway, or a sidewalk, or any public venue without a permit!  You cant block a sidewalk because you want to take a photo!  Was the officer wrong?  Yes but for the wrong reason.  Stopping a photographer in a public place without a permit is the crime nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do have a right to photograph.  You do hot have a right to set up a tripod in a subway, or a sidewalk, or any public venue without a permit!  You cant block a sidewalk because you want to take a photo!  Was the officer wrong?  Yes but for the wrong reason.  Stopping a photographer in a public place without a permit is the crime nothing else.</p>
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